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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2018, 09:51:35 AM »
Why not use a separate hydraulic steering system for the kicker, say a small Baystar?  Or even cable?  Small steering wheel along the gunnel or on the aft house bulkhead?  I've never tried doing this and haven't seen it done either ... am I missing something?

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2018, 09:52:36 PM »
Interesting to hear that feedback on the Panther T5, thanks!

Brian, a lot of the time using the kicker, I'm inside the cabin, moving real slow through a bay, sightseeing in the morning or just going somewhere super slow. I'd much rather be inside, and really just wanted to be right at the helm. If I put a steering wheel somewhere on the back deck, I start running out of storage space real quick to hang things, and I have to be outside. I actually don't troll much, the kicker is something I use when I'm in no rush, or as an emergency backup.

I heard of a marina back east that would install a single helm/steering wheel, and run the hydraulics to both engines. Where the line teed to go to each engine, they had valves, so you could valve over to one engine or the other. Pretty simple and intriguing....

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2018, 08:54:04 AM »
Interesting to hear that feedback on the Panther T5, thanks!

Brian, a lot of the time using the kicker, I'm inside the cabin, moving real slow through a bay, sightseeing in the morning or just going somewhere super slow. I'd much rather be inside, and really just wanted to be right at the helm. If I put a steering wheel somewhere on the back deck, I start running out of storage space real quick to hang things, and I have to be outside. I actually don't troll much, the kicker is something I use when I'm in no rush, or as an emergency backup.

I heard of a marina back east that would install a single helm/steering wheel, and run the hydraulics to both engines. Where the line teed to go to each engine, they had valves, so you could valve over to one engine or the other. Pretty simple and intriguing....

Hmmmm.... First thoughts:  OK, why not a little 6" wheel inside the house for the kicker by itself?  It would perhaps fit on top of the helm or ?  And ... T'ing off the hydraulics to steer two motors of very different size, I have to wonder about hydraulic rates versus 2 different sized hydraulic rams that have different ranges of motion.  Perhaps the shop that you mention is the expert on this and can dial it all in ... it would be GREAT to be able to trim the main up out of the water and just use the kicker and single steering wheel for both.  Need is the mother of invention....

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2018, 12:57:20 AM »
A bit of progress to report: First of all, I installed the Panther T5 kicker steering and although it takes some fiddling and bending of the drive arm, it seems to function nicely. I'm not very impressed with the wiring connections - they are pretty flaky for a system that is supposedly designed for salt water use. We'll see how the wiring holds up but it does functionally move the engine back and forth as advertised.

The boat is at the upholstery shop now, and I'm happy to show the reversible seat back I came up - this is one of those things that I was surprised I could not find hardware or a refined design for, and I came up with all kinds of schemes before a friend helped me come up with this one. First of all, the seat back is a piece of 3/8" AC plywood with a 3/16" channel routed into it for each seat stay. I then laminated scrap 1/4" maple plywood left over from a cabinet project. There are no fasteners - it fits tight enough to not move around and loose enough to take apart easily. The seat stays go through the slots in the seat cabinet, and I made up maple retainer blocks that fit inside the cabinet to receive the stays. I'm pretty sure it will be too flexible, so I'll have a spine welded onto the stays to take the flex out of them. Finally, I'll powder coat them black so they don't stain the fabric and cabinet. No fasteners anywhere, no pieces to lose during use, and very space-efficient.

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2018, 08:01:46 AM »
Dan,

Looking good as always, I like the seat design, sitting forward for travel and facing aft to watch the fishing poles.  /cant wait to see more.

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2018, 08:50:33 AM »
Dan,

Looking good as always, I like the seat design, sitting forward for travel and facing aft to watch the fishing poles.  /cant wait to see more.

Bob

Those seat backs, with a little spring in them, will be comfortable too.  I like how you can slide all components apart and then stow the seats in a cupboard or deep drawer ... out of the way, especially when lowering the dinette table to convert the seats into a bunk.

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2018, 01:36:27 AM »
Upholstery all complete, including the seat back posted about previously. Very happy with this! Anyone in Southcentral Alaska should consider Fine Line in Anchorage for their upholstery - fantastic outfit to work with. The cuddy bunks are over 7'6" long, and 7'9" wide at 12" forward of the aft cuddy bulkhead. Dinette "bunk" is 5'9" as is, and will be 6'9" when I get the bracket in place to hold the seat back flat to extend the forward portion of the bunk. Finally, had the seat back stays powder-coated satin black for the final touch.

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2018, 06:26:14 AM »

Wow!  The seats and upholstery turned out great!  What do you think of the bigger-than-queen-size bed you've got up front?  Pretty roomy, eh?  You can definitely live aboard for good long trips in your boat ... warm, dry, room to sit and sleep in comfort.  You're going to be addicted to this boat pretty fast....

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2018, 06:17:10 PM »
Wow, the level of craftsmanship and imagination used in these builds is awesome!

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2019, 03:00:23 AM »
A bit of progress to report. Stainless bow and roof rails installed. Fabricated by Dave at Heavy Weather Boats in Anchorage - fabulous guy to work with, very knowledgeable. Little seemingly trivial details like a door stop were made complicated by choosing to mount the deck lights below the roof (I will be slinging my dinghy up onto/off of the roof from the aft end, so want the roof clear in this area), so normal door stop hardware would not work and I am pretty sure I like this better anyway. Couple pictures of the cabinetry on the back deck - side cabinets under the gunwales are ski lockers (!!)....yep, in the spring I plan to be doing a lot of skiing while soaking shrimp pots and finding a place to put wet, bulky skis was a high-priority design criteria. Aft SB cabinet has master negative buss, water separator....and I'm contemplating punching a hole in this otherwise unused space to mount my pot-pulling davit out of the way. Tussling over whether to do the big electrodyne or a smaller my-t-puller. Aft port cabinet has 2.5-gal diesel tank for heater on bottom, with start battery and bilge switch on top. Aft center cabinet is access to bilge and bilge plug, main combiner battery switch (dual circuit plus), and battery-to battery charge controller to smart-charge the house battery. I'm using AGM batteries, which are finicky about charge voltages (especially on float portion of charge) if you want them to last a long time and perform well. Installing wiper motors and wipers surprised me as a pretty fussy project. Of course there was not enough room above or below the windows to mount the motors directly, so I had to put a 1" spacer block so the motor would clear the window frame. For builders still in-process, plan to add such a block above each window while you're glassing, would be way easier than after-the-fact. Finally, to protect the stem from the trailer roller, etc. I installed a strip of keel-guard, which is a thick rubber that can take a lot of abuse. Hope these details help some of the folks starting their projects!

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2019, 09:45:55 AM »
Thanks for the pics Dan. Have you had your boat on the water? Wanted you to know that when I tell people Im building a boat I show them a pic of yours. Love what your doing. I too am going to use my boat primarily for camping, along with fishing and what not. I have watch your build and appreciate any and all pics you have.

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2019, 06:53:22 PM »
Hi Dennis - no I have not gotten it wet yet. Probably May since I'll be out of state for most of April. It helps to have pictures of the various details so I'm trying to give back a little by posting some occasionally to help folks out. Good luck!

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #57 on: March 11, 2019, 07:31:18 AM »
It comes as no surprise to see the innovation, quality workmanship, and detailed well-thought out layout and installation... Dan Rocks!  His boat is one of the finest GA's that I've had the pleasure to see!

Where'd you get those pantograph wipers?  I like them a lot.... :D

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #58 on: March 11, 2019, 08:33:44 AM »
I noticed that you have a none slip surface on your decks. Can you discibe what you used?

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Re: GA 28 built by Kachemak Skiffs Wasilla, AK
« Reply #59 on: March 11, 2019, 09:18:16 PM »
Brian - the wiper system is all manufactured by Roca, distributed by Imtra. Regular radial wipers on such small windows will only remove a small amount of material, so to be effective you're really pushed toward the pantograph style. I notice Bayweld is using Roca gear on their boats, and Dave from Heavy Weather Boats is sold on them too, won't touch anything else.

Dennis - Anthony (of Cook Inlet Boats, who did my marine carpentry) broadcast medium lag sand over fresh paint, and once that dried, painted a couple more coats, or something along those lines. He did a test on KiwiGrip, which I was pretty excited about, and said it was a joke. Anthony is pretty conservative about the non-skid, as I'm inclined to be out early on ski trips or late on hunting trips, and ice on deck is a real possibility, so non-skid has to be a bit more aggressive than it would be otherwise. After more thought, and seeing the results, I agree. Slipping off the boat is a very poor option up here.

One detail I missed on the non-skid: plan out where you want your cleats, and tape this area off - I have cleats right on the non-skid, and can already see that my dock lines are going to get micro-snags on the non-skid over time and they're going to get beat up pretty fast. Have already envisioned the project of grinding down the non-skid and re-setting the cleats when I get sick of it.......can't win them all, way too many details. 

For coating systems, I wanted to stay away from toxic products as much as possible, so went with System Three paint. We tried their primer, but it's too thin, and despite lots of careful faring you really want a high-build primer if you want a decent finish at all. So we ended up using Interlux InterProtect HS and 2000E, and Petit Protect 4700. Couldn't just use one because couldn't find enough of it around. By far the HS was the best, followed by the Petit 4700. I like that these are epoxy primers, so we essentially encapsulated the entire project in a couple layers of extra epoxy prior to painting.